{"id":548,"date":"2024-01-03T23:11:41","date_gmt":"2024-01-03T23:11:41","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/?p=548"},"modified":"2024-10-24T17:17:16","modified_gmt":"2024-10-24T17:17:16","slug":"markovec-podmarkovec-cisterna-zusterna","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/?p=548","title":{"rendered":"Markovec, Podmarkovec, Cisterna, \u017dusterna"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[548]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"804\" src=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1-1024x804.jpg\" alt=\"\u017dusterna\" class=\"wp-image-549\" style=\"width:556px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1-1024x804.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1-300x236.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1-768x603.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1-1536x1207.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-1.jpg 1866w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">V Atlasu Slovenije, ki je iz\u0161el leta 1985, se je namesto imena za kraj \u017dusterna (Giusterna) pojavil napis Podmarkovec, kar je povro\u010dilo upor prebivalcev. Novo ime se ni prijelo in kmalu so ga spet nadomestili z imenom \u017dusterna.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Pred kratkim je <a href=\"https:\/\/www.facebook.com\/groups\/642544633155182\/user\/100007704525105\/?__cft__[0]=AZUREQiQyPzLykUsmVqa2vcY89ad2oXPg6X0AUclgcuU0DyaNgn1-PW82V0sKFnZZyK5RFhJwaelg3EsGcDzcesmHD-XikRi0Bjt-TAIXKXAAz1MwCa6_i5ggEpwRurmgsMehhupORN0gOI-I5Fm0HG5&amp;__tn__=-]K-R\">Boris Umer<\/a> pisal o naselju Markovec in razvila se je polemika o imenu novega naselja in kako je ime nastalo. Ime so si izmislili kartografi v Ljubljani, saj se je prvi\u010d pojavilo v Atlasu Slovenije ki je iz\u0161el leta 1985 (1. slika). Zato sem malo pobrskal po svojem arhivu in na\u0161el med drugimi knjigami tudi Atlas Slovenije, ki ga je izdal Geodetski zavod Slovenije v sodelovanju z Mladinsko knjigo leta 1985. Zapi\u0161imo imena odgovornih za ime kraja Podmarkovec, namesto \u017dusterna. Zasnova, redakcija in vodstvo Vili Kos. Odgovorna za izvedbo: Mimi Gregori\u010d in Ana Kokalj. Izris: Marija Ho\u010devar in Tatjana Kuki\u010d. Tako, da ne bo dvomov kdo je odgovoren za spreminjanje imen krajev v Ljubljani, brez privoljenja prebivalcev.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Pa poglejmo kako je nastalo dana\u0161nje ime Kraja \u017dusterna skozi \u010das. Kot je jasno videti na zemljevidu Istre, ki ga je izdelal Paolo Santini leta 1780, je vpisano ime &#8220;Cisterna&#8221; (2. slika). Tudi na starej\u0161ih zemljevidih iz mojega arhiva je vpisano isto ime. Na zemljevidu Franciscejskega katastra iz leta 1818\/1819, pa je ime kraja \u017ee Giusterna, po slovensko \u017dusterna, kakor je \u0161e danes. Ko je v drugem delu 19. stoletja v \u017dusterni nastala Gostilna s sobami za turiste, pa so zaradi nove ve\u010dje stavbe del kraja okoli penziona in gostilne, za\u010deli imenovati &#8220;Palacetto&#8221;, po doma\u010de Palacet. Kar lahko vidimo na izrezu voja\u0161kega zemljevida Kopra iz leta 1926 iz mojega arhiva (3. slika). Ime Palacet se ni obdr\u017ealo dolgo za \u017dusterno. Novim priseljencem s Prov, malo naprej od Moleta, je bilo italijansko ime Palazetto, po doma\u010de Palacet v\u0161e\u010d in so si napa\u010dno nadeli ime &#8220;Palacetani&#8221;, \u010deprav se za Moleto in Prove to ime ni nikoli uporabljalo.<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"aligncenter size-large is-resized\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[548]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"670\" src=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2-1024x670.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-550\" style=\"width:792px;height:auto\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2-1024x670.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2-300x196.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2-768x502.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2-1536x1005.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Markovec-Podmarkovec-2.jpg 1900w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">2. slika Na zemljevidu Istre, ki ga je izdelal kartograf Santini Paolo leta1780, je vpisano ime Cisterna, kot se je \u017dusterna (Giusterna) neko\u010d imenovala.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Kaj \u010dmo z imeni krajev je vedno tako, da si ga nadenejo trenutni prebivalci, novi prebivalci, ali trenutna oblast imena spreminjajo. Nekatera se obdr\u017eijo, druga pa\u010d ne in pravo ime je le tisto, ki se s \u010dasom obdr\u017ei in se uveljavi med prebivalci kraja, \u010de nam je to prav ali ne.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-gallery has-nested-images columns-default is-cropped wp-block-gallery-2 is-layout-flex wp-block-gallery-is-layout-flex\">\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[548]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1600\" height=\"866\" data-id=\"512\" src=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-512\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1.jpg 1600w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1-300x162.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1-1024x554.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1-768x416.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet1-1536x831.jpg 1536w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1600px) 100vw, 1600px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Izrez iz italijanskega voja\u0161kega zemljevida Kopra koli leta 1930 v iz mojega arhiva, kjer je vpisano ime Palacet (Palazzetto) tam kjer je \u017dusterna.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><a href=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2.jpg\" rel=\"lightbox[548]\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"800\" data-id=\"515\" src=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-515\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2-1024x683.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/wp-content\/uploads\/2024\/01\/Palacet2-768x512.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Izrez iz zemljevida Franciscejskega katastra iz leta 1918\/1919 je za kraj \u017dusterna vpisano ime Giusterna, kar velja \u0161e danes.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Pred kratkim je Boris Umer pisal o naselju Markovec in razvila se je polemika o imenu novega naselja in kako je ime nastalo. Ime so si izmislili kartografi v Ljubljani, saj se je prvi\u010d pojavilo v Atlasu Slovenije ki je iz\u0161el leta 1985 (1. slika). Zato sem malo pobrskal po svojem arhivu in na\u0161el med [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":549,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[5,126,44],"tags":[130,131,132,133,129],"class_list":["post-548","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-zanimivosti","category-zemljevidi","category-zusterna","tag-cisterna","tag-markovec","tag-podmarkovec","tag-prove","tag-zusterna"],"aioseo_notices":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/548","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=548"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/548\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":5103,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/548\/revisions\/5103"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/media\/549"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=548"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=548"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/kuopranbot.si\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=548"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}